Gee that's right...hmmm Doesn't this clear Belichick? He didn't win any Super bowls there, and his record was 36-44...boy that's strange.
Perhaps coach Mangini, was behind all this. It's no secret that Eric hates Bill.
Very insightful. Thank you!
Actually they were the best team all the the 1960's. The early eighties they had a real good team as well as the mid eighties. Any franchise starting out has had some bumps in the road. Just wait for the next 5 years, this will not even be a topic of conversation.
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Why have the Cleveland browns been losers for so long?Art Modell screwed you guys, and then you had to start over from scratch with a new team. I think it's going to get better when you start playing Quinn because you picked up a lot of good players during the off season.
Now that Marty Schottenheimer is free, would you guys take him back as head coach
Mr Me: How would that clear Belichick? that just makes it all really suspicious. He went from losing to all of a sudden he's a coaching genius. Probably the cheating helped, don't you think?
EDIT: Sparxmith: You are wrong about "winners won't play for losers.". A lot of good young players who are top picks come out of college wanting to go to the weaker teams because they will get to start sooner. I read that in Chad Johnson's book. He wanted to be a Bengal because he wanted a team that he could help make great after he got there.
I believe Brady Quinn said the Browns were his first choice too.
The Cleveland Browns need stability in the staff in order to become a competitive football team, and so far, haven't been fortunate in that area. 3 head coaches since 1999, and had a major front office shakeup just 2 years ago have set this team back everytime it seems they're making moves towards improvement. You just can't build a cohesive group with major moves being made as frequently as the Browns have been making them. The team has done a decent job in the draft lately, but luck hasn't been on their side. It's hard to progress your rookies when you're having a coaching carousel every few years. And on top of that, the injury bug has slowed down a lot of the development of the younger players (Courtney Brown when he was there, Kellen Winslow, Jr. for 2 seasons, and Braylon Edwards last year).
the cardiac kids , and the Kosar years were good. just think, if it wasnt for Elway , the browns could have been to two superbowls... now with FA and bad picks , the years haven't been pretty..the steelers and ravens are always tough... the browns just haven't been keeping up.. also, the coaching staffs back then were made up of future coaches....
For someone that has been a "fan" since "the seventies", you really don't remember the glory years. You are just remembering the recent hard times. True - it is easier to remember them, but there have been good times.
The problems that the Browns have is caused by the same that most of the second tier NFL teams (actually, any second tier sports team) experience: Poor Leadership.
John Maxwell writes in "The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership" that any organization is limited by the strength of its top leaders. Unfortunately for NFL fans in Cleveland, Atlanta, New Orleans, etc., the Owners are very successful entrepreneurs, but poor leaders. On a scale of one to ten, Level 10 leaders can only attract up to level 9 leaders. Level 9 leaders can only attract up to level 8 leaders, and so forth and so on down the line. (Occasionally, a lucky owner will hire a GM who is a better leader than himself, but this is the exception and not the rule.)
What this creates is a lack of quality leadership in an organization that goes right down the line. And players, who must be leaders in their own right, won't follow the leadership of a Coach who falls below them on the scale. This of course has all sorts of repurcussions both on and off the field.
Understand, of course, that this is a very simplistic explanation of a very complex, but very real difficulty that all organizations face, both in and out of the sports world.
In other words, the Browns (and all the other perpetually sad teams of the NFL) are "losers" because Winners won't play for losers.
They make poor personel decisions in the draft. Look at their 1st round selections over the past seasons. Most of these guys aren't even in the league anymore. Plus they traded their entire D line to the Broncos not to long ago. The Joe Thomas pick is the best move they made in a while. Mark my words. Brady Quinn will be a bust.
Their name and those fugly helmets.
Bad management - they used to be one of the better teams around.
Because they are in Cleveland...since when they were a decent team?
i think they have less than 40 21st century wins
they've never been 1st in their conference in 20 years
they've had 2 winning seasons in the past 17 years
Havent had good QB play in a while. They need one good franchise QB that will be around for 8-10 years to build around.
They have only been a loser since the Lerner family was awarded the new franchise.
The Lerner's don't know much about football so, in trying to do something good for the city, they listened to local sports authorities and DJs who really didn't know crap.
First they tried to emulate San Fran with Carmen Policy. This didn't work because DeBartolo hired Policy to find loopholes in teh salary cap and stock the team with mroe good players. Policy did that and the 9'er had a dynasty.
Lerner was not going to let Policy "cheat" in Cleveland, so he had to rely on his football knowledge, which were minimal.
Enter Phil Savage, or as I call him Phil Sewage.
Therein lies the entire problem with the Browns. He has been a total failure at bringing talent to Cleveland and ha no concept of winning. He tied up an entire year with Charlie Frye, then gave him the entire pre-season only to bench him and trade him after 20 minutes of play.
The reasons the Browns lose is because they have no talent. Winslow IS slow, Jamal is worn out, Ted Washington, Joe Jurevicius and Orhpeus Roye are ready to retire, they have no QB and no WRs who can catch.
Until Lerner stops listening to the idiot people of Cleveland, fires Savage and hires someone who is all about football, they will continue to be one of the NFL's worst teams.
The usual reasons a team doesn't win much are:
a) a bad coach who doesn't know how to motivate the team, or is outrightly abusive;
b) a team with too many prima donnas and not enough team players (again, this is usually due to item a, a bad coach);
c) too much in-house politics and corruption;
d) insufficient financial motivation (read: low pay and minimal incentives)
same didvision as the steelers,ravens and bengals.same conference as the pats,colts and chargers. bad management,bad coaching and bad drafts.they have great fans thou.
They are in a division where They get beat up. Steelers, Ravens, Bemgals. Three really good teams.
i blame the owners
beacause they SUCK
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